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Post by NESFantasy on May 18, 2006 22:07:58 GMT -5
Okay, so the Illusions interpretations are finished (well, my initial parts), and thus I'll be moving onto Swallowed in Black. However, either due to the fact that the lyrics in Illusions were rather straightforward, or the method I had for discussing them wasn't very comment-friendly, I'd like to ask you all if you have any ideas on how to interpret the next disc?
Should I do what I did in the previous topic and hope some of you join in with similar/different opinions, or should...well, really I don't have any others ideas on how to do it. If anyone else does, though, then I'll be happy to consider trying it your way. I just feel like discussions are in order.
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Post by joarel666 on May 18, 2006 22:45:46 GMT -5
Evening NES, This is an awesome undertaking dude. I'm into this, reading through and interpreting each song for greater understanding. Brings me back!!
Here's a thought. Print the lyrics to one song from Swallowed each week, provide an opening comment, then open it up to the members to share perspective, viewpoints about the song. Reading through the lyrics in print gives you a poetic feel, because half the time, I don't know what the F#%@ DT is saying :J~
Later bro and Keep On Keepin On!
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Post by NESFantasy on May 20, 2006 5:05:12 GMT -5
Well, the lyrics are on the main VoDB site, but if you'd like then pasted here as well, that's certainly a nice idea.
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Post by chainsawmax on May 20, 2006 11:37:28 GMT -5
yes, please, copy and paste for every song is the best idea.
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Post by NESFantasy on May 20, 2006 16:23:54 GMT -5
Alrighty, since this is nearly the beginning of a new week (at least Sunday begins my week), I'll post the lyrics to The Black now, then I'll post my thoughts later, and you can all join in. In a week I'll post the next song and so on. Of course, if you don't get to interpret a particular song (busy all week?) then just post and make sure to note you're referring to a different song so we don't think you're crazy. The BlackUnknown Substance A putrid Cloud - Choking all within Results of Progress, A noxious Waste - Floating in the Air Living free? Chemically So now our World is fading into slowly burning out Prime Wealth? Toxic Health Advancing towards extinction is the way it's turning out Foul Air? Do you care? Is Cleanness where you live going against your common believe Too much slime, insufficient time? In a suffocated future will you find the time to breathe Jammed in one place Blind in haste Progress can't wait A life in waste Tending towards - Technology Reverse of: life's biology Chemical comatose Radiation overdose Burning, melting flesh Leaking slime of dissolving waste Overflowing blackness of death Creation is being torn down by abuse Infringement of the substance and our use Elements decomposing, dilution is too slow Every contribution, to the evolution Its bad gets worse; deathly course. Swallowed in Black Faced with reality? Search your memory Nothing dead ever comes back The Black
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Post by NESFantasy on May 23, 2006 19:03:39 GMT -5
Okay, about time I got around to giving a comment. Been a busy weekend.
"The Black" seems to me to be about pollution. Reminds me of the subject of "Blackened" by Metallica, though their song was about a nuclear aftermath. The Black seems to be about how our technology is pushing us into a state of higher advances but is causing us to suffocate on the waste we produce. At the same time, we don't seem to care, because after all we like our gas guzzling engines, air conditioned living spaces, and cease to stop the destruction of natural resources in general.
Thinking about our waste pisses me off, actually...
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Post by joarel666 on May 24, 2006 0:56:31 GMT -5
Aye NES, thanks for starting this off.
I'll take a historical perspective to "The Black". I can only presume what the author used as source material while writing it. By this point in time(1986-90), We already experienced the horrors and medical nightmares at Love Canal. We watched on as Chernobyl spread its deadly radioactive wave of pestilence in 1986. More telling is the technological discoveries that bring us industrial, engineering, and chemical advances with abhorent and disasterous accidents that will plague us for generations. Who can forget The EXXON VALDEZ? One look at the footage would be enough inspiration . . . or should I say devestation.
Coming from the town SADUS originates from. The Antioch and Delta Region of California of 1960's-80's was a hotbed of oil refineries, chemical plants, Power plants, paper, steel mills, and farmland. Most of them are long gone today. But back then, they provided a significant economic source for neighboring towns. The trade-off? Anyone who grew up in this area knew someone or had a Father, friend, or family member working at these sites. There were many accidents to friends and family members. What was worse is the long term effect these industries had in the region. Every Summer, you could count on a thick malevolent "smog" encircling the area. You never thought twice of what the cropduster was spraying you just remember the acrid, burning in your nostrels . . . . Pediatric statistics of children with Asthma in this regions sky rocketed. A Delta fishing expedition with your son or daughter turns into a nightmare of exposure to a plethora of toxins from PCB's, Benzine, mercury from the fish caught from the San Juaquin River. This Pestilence spreads as Cancer, Leukemia and other long term rare diseases afflected employees who would perish way before their time.
That's my take so far. The Black as written by SADUS can definitely speak for me.
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Post by NESFantasy on May 24, 2006 10:16:03 GMT -5
Wow! I'm beginning to like this now. ;D
Of course the reality of it is horrible. I can just imagine with the sorts of regulations that used to be bypassed. That families living near the rivers down by a chemical plant would doubtlessly have side effects from their location. Dumping toxins and killing the environment to save a few bucks instead of going for safer disposal.
I know Steve said that they write about their world as they see it, which is basically the town they live in. Just...it sucks to think of how f**ked up it could have been to live in an industrialized area 20-40 years ago (could actually suck living in one today as well).
But I really felt that, after reading the lyrics, that it applies to a striking degree today. We're still killing our atmosphere, dumping a remarkable amount of trash into overflowing landfills, and despite improvements, our technology is still killing our environment. We're f**king stuff up.
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Post by NESFantasy on May 27, 2006 21:31:57 GMT -5
NEXT!
Man Infestation
Time... is wasting Time... is passing The world... is going straight down the tubes, oh well What man will make of it... time will tell Time Watching all that's wasting in this world In time there's no escaping what's to tell The population is feeding, soon to fall There's got to be a better way, time will tell Quality receding Contaminants increasing Consequently death The splendor and the radiance The brightness and the brilliance Sheer luster of life is gone The foul stench of stag Will devour the human race Until every bit of life is gone Poverty, extremity, impurity, insolvency The crumble, decline, destruction, wears on There's got to be a better way Blacken the sky, nature has died Wastefulness of mankind Thoughts were impure, time must endure We must stop before it's too late Impurities will crush, till all life is lost Destruction of the ozone layer What has been said, what's left to say There's got to be a better way Putrefaction, uncleanness of man The man infestation, infected world span Filthy impurities, blue sky turn to gray Crippled efficiency, the black eats away Putrefaction, uncleanness of man The man infestation, infected world span The quagmire and vermin, as bad goes to worse The drab wilt of mankind engulfing the earth Watching all that's wasting in this world In time there's no escaping what's to tell The population is feeding, soon to fall There's got to be a better way, time will tell Quality receding Contaminants increasing Consequently death
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Post by NESFantasy on May 29, 2006 21:03:24 GMT -5
Obviously Man Infestation is a continuation of The Black, even mentioning it later on. Mankind has used and abused this world, building up technology and polluting the skies, water, and ground. Man is a parasite feeding upon the splendor of the Earth and once it runs out, we're all f**ked. Despite our big buildings and amazing feats, it doesn't matter. What good is building tall structures when you destroy the foundation on which you live?
Build your church upon a rock for a strong foundation. Man's unwavering egoistic attitude will destroy the hand that feeds him.
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Post by joarel666 on May 31, 2006 15:29:37 GMT -5
NES F, Yet another great start to the week by selecting this track! When I listen to this song, I keep thinking Darrin and Company saw this futuristic epic, "Soylent Green" on one of Bob Wilkin's Saturday Night "Creature Features" . . .The weekly cult classic 70's show here in the SF Bay Area would run classic sci-fi horror movies like Logan's Run, Andromeda Strain, as well as any movies that fit into the genre. Christopher Lee rules!!
The stark reality of "Man Infestation" matches up quite well in this Era. Look around you, and you will find examples everywhere in the US.
"Poverty, extremity, impurity, insolvency The crumble, decline, destruction, wears on There's got to be a better way"
Despite the benefits of modern society from scientific, medical, and technologial discovery, we seem be even closer to the precipice in the US. The quality of life seems to be waning with each new generation. Why? "Man Infestation" lyrics speak to every move taken in this antiquated system of government subsidies to the military industrial complex here in the US. Greed, power, control, social stratification, overpopulation are fueling the very collapse we hope to avoid. How much longer before the lyrics are fully realized? I believe we may be closer then previously thought.
45+ milion people without healthcare coverage in the US. 40+ million people live in poverty National Debt in the US is fast approaching $10 Trillion
A more recent example is found in the way the US Government(FEMA) handled the Hurricane Katrina aftermath in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. The level of desperation, fear, suffering, and complete loss was etched into every image of news coverage.
Maybe it's time for the remake of Soylent Green to hit the movie, TV, computer, iPod screens again. Atleast if the remake happens, that gives the movie exec's time to remove Charleton Heston from his cryogenic freeze to play the leading role again . . . };]
Keepin it HEAVY. SADUS Rules!!
Later, ~joarel
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Post by NESFantasy on May 31, 2006 16:15:26 GMT -5
You just posted this, but I have to say I agree! Reminds of something else I read.
Over 1 billion people in the world live on less than a dollar a day. And nearly 3 billion people live on less than 2 dollars a day. That's half of mankind living within poverty. We have grown so advanced yet we're too greedy to help people that need help if they can't match the pricetag. I wish we'd grow up before we die.
Thanks Joarel. You provide a lot of good information, considering where you live being so close to the Sadudes. Nice to see perspectives on this (or since the themes from you and I see the same, the expansion of ideas from yourself).
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Post by joarel666 on May 31, 2006 17:18:24 GMT -5
Besides, Moses is a child slaughtering, gun toting, arch consersative rat bastard. WTF? where's the other Five Commandments? So let it be written, So let it be done . . . .
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Post by NESFantasy on Jun 1, 2006 13:03:47 GMT -5
I think I lost you somewhere...
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Post by joarel666 on Jun 2, 2006 2:29:12 GMT -5
Aye Nes F, Soorry bro, Charlton Heston was cast in Soylent Green and the 10 Commandments. I was just calling on the former NRA President for what he is: an arrogant, out of touch, old, elitist bastard.
I read through "Man Infestation" again and noticed I left out an underlying theme not written in the lyrics. When I referenced control, power, I meant the usual suspects of corporations, governents, "the rich", etc. But if you think it through, organized religion serves as an undercurrent to the lyrics. Religion breeds ignorance, passive "flocks", and fundamentalists who consider the Bible as the "only way" to follow.
Nothing sets me off more then a religious zealot prostelitizing about "it doesn't matter what happens here on Earth. When Armageddon arrives, I will be chosen to ascend from this Hell man has created and go to Heaven." Avoidance, is a typical fundamentalist response to critical environmental, overpopulation issues described throughout Man Infestation.
Don't worry, I'm a equal opportunity Blasphemer. . . .More on this for another great SADUS Track!
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